Submitted by Xaviar Xerexes on January 22, 2009 - 14:50
Last year I posted a couple times (Previous posts on this "research" project were here and here) about a possible article on "ComixTALK's 100 Greatest Webcomics" which would be something like the American Film Institute's list of the greatest movies of the last 100 years.
A recurring comment to the previous two posts was what is the criteria for this. I'm always a little hesitant to give too much guidance when part of the point of asking this kind of thing out loud is to listen to the resulting discussion of what everyone else thinks the criteria should be. For the AFI list judges picked films based on criteria such as Critical Recognition, Major Award Winner, Popularity Over Time, Historical Significance, and Cultural Impact.
That sounds about right to me. We've got a round decade plus a year or two of webcomics to look at it. Critical reception (both from peers and critics), and popularity are both relevant to thinking about the impact of a webcomic. WCCA awards are somewhat indicative of what peers were impressed with in a given year and more recently awards like the Eisners and Ignatzs have recoginized webcomics. Historical significance and cultural impact are a little harder to pin down but various "firsts" in webcomics are important and comics like Penny Arcade have had a much wider impact on popular culture than most comics do these days (put aside the legacy superheros of comics -- what other "new" comic, let alone webcomic, in the last decade has had a wide cultural impact?)
Another thing AFI did that might be useful here to help sort through the vast numbers of webcomics one could talk about is to also think about categories or genres of work. Just as a simple matter of numbers if a webcomic isn't one of the best of a larger type of story -- or frankly, so startlingly unique it's hard to categorize -- then it's hard to imagine it's one of the 100 Greatest...
So to move things along I'm listing another "draft" of titles submitted by the crowds but this time I've tried to break them up into drama and comedy so as to help avoid complete apples to oranges comparisons. In doing that I've realized (1) it's hard in many cases to decide; and (2) there are probably more comedic than drama on the list so far. I think it would make sense to whittle down the two lists to 75 each so as the final list is no more than 3/4 of one type or the other. Of course we could further do genre type lists but for now this was enough work on my part.
So -- your assignment (if you choose to play):
- Name the comic you're talking about (you're also welcome to nominate ones not on the list -- I KNOW there are many I haven't even thought about yet -- it takes time to review all of the corners of the web)
- Tell me where on one the two lists (comedy and drama) it should be (you could give a range of slots if you're not sure). (If you think I've got a drama on the comedy list or vice-versa let me know! I'm not "done" - this is fairly dashed off still at this point)
- Tell me why! Referencing awards, critics, historical achievements, strengths and weaknesses of the works are all really helpful!
Submitted by NightgigTim on December 23, 2008 - 15:44
Drawn from sources that are having a hectic holidayâ€¦
Submitted by Xaviar Xerexes on December 18, 2008 - 10:29
Did you know that, with a 1% cover price share and assuming the books are equal in cost, a Zuda book would have to sell 10,000 copies to make the creator what I would selling 100 copies of Templar? And that’s assuming there are no penalties in the payout for deep discount/damaged/give-away books, and the payout isn’t be split in half between a writer and an artist or something.
There's a good discussion at FLEEN in the comments. Here's my question though -- no matter how good Spike is at DIY (and she is good) shouldn't ZUDA be able to do better? Otherwise what the heck is ZUDA adding to the value chain? It's just another flavor of the question I feel like I've been asking all year -- given all of the DIY tools available to a comics creator, what role is there for a publisher/agent/manager kind of entity? I think there is one for a company built around doing really well and efficiently the kind of business and marketing things that someone should be able to do for the new breed of comics creator but I'm not sure I've seen it yet.
Submitted by Xaviar Xerexes on November 13, 2008 - 21:02
This is an update to a previous post here, thanks for the cumulative suggestions on that thread. JUST so we're clear - this is open-sourced to everyone research for a possible article to appear next month at ComixTalk. I don't endorse the list or the order at all; at this point I've tried to include all of the suggestions I've gotten and I also went through all of the comics ComixTalk has ever reviewed and pulled quite a few titles.
We're at the point where it'll be most helpful if you tell me comics you think should go on the list, where (what number approximately) and which comic should get bumped. If you just want to change the order you can do that to but there'll be another post before the month's through asking for help with that.
Submitted by Xaviar Xerexes on October 5, 2008 - 23:04
A great day at SPX this Sunday. Saw a whole bunch of familiar (web)comic artists (and bought some great stuff too) and met some new ones. I get overwhelmed trying to check out everything at SPX -- I don't think I'd cut it at San Diego. I guess it's 'cause I do try to check out as much of the work as possible. (I missed the Ignatz awards Satuday night but click here to find out about the winners. Apparently there was another dude in a gorilla suit this year just like last year. UPDATE: Yep - there's a moneky in THIS YEAR's presentation. h/t FLEEN).
Anyhow, I may have some reviews and interviews coming up leading out of today but for now I'm putting my new poster of the "Atheist's Afterlife" strip from Aaron Diaz's Dresden Codak up on the wall next to my A Lesson Is Learned But the Damage is Irreversible poster. I also picked up some books from Dirk Tiede, Spike, Meredith Gran, Josh Lesnick, Joe Dunn... jeez, really too many to list in one post. I'll get to them this week!
Also ran into the elusive Joey Manley (well he was up in the wilds of Maine for awhile... now he's apparently in the more hospitable land of Brooklyn) along with T Campbell. I think the gist of that conversation was that the new Comicspace.com is coming soon AND YET in some ways is already here. I should try harder to get an interview with him (although I have asked!), shouldn't I?
I also talked briefly with Raina Telgemeier about her new book with Scholastic - which will be a print version of her webcomic Smile. Raina thought a press release had gone out but I can't find it just now. Raina had done four Babysitters Club books with Scholastic, but she said that was it for the graphic novel series. I asked Raina about the experience and she was extremely positive on it, noting she had done about 800 pages on the series. Best wishes for the Smile project and I'll post more details when I get them.
Submitted by IronSpike on September 3, 2008 - 11:06
Sorry, guys. I skipped a few blog posts, but not any updates, you'll have the page back to read the last of chapter three. And if you don't understand what you're seeing on the final page of the chapter, I don't blame ya. last we saw of that notepad was sometime in March.
Submitted by IronSpike on August 29, 2008 - 02:11
And hey, outta curiosity, I'm kinda assuming you guys know that "Cully" is a nickname. What d'you think it's short for? Me, I think it's pretty obvious, but I'm writing the damn thing, so I don't count.
Submitted by IronSpike on August 27, 2008 - 09:40
More comics, on time and everything! The comic updated on schedule, but my blog continues to misbehave. I hate you, blog.
My goal for today is to finish Friday's page. No foolin'. Most of yesterday was spent catching up on emails and business, but with that out of the way, I wanna have Monday's page ready to go by Saturday.
Submitted by IronSpike on August 22, 2008 - 14:30
Although I have to admit, knowing how to cook an elephant calf is probably pretty cool by most people's standards.
Yet another name you guys will have to remember and wonder about; Astrid Spencer, mother of Scipio. Feel free to hypothesize what kinda woman she is.
Submitted by Alexander Danner on August 21, 2008 - 04:28
So, I went to San Diego Comic Con this year. I did have a great time, though it’s not something I feel like I need to do again, unless I’m exhibiting. Of course, I always enjoy cons more when I’m hawking my own wares. After Comic Con was over, I decided to be clever and ship all my purchases back home, along with a bunch of DVDs and CDs I picked up while visiting my friend in LA, instead of trying to carry it all on the plane.
Great plan. Except not.