Catty... or bored?

Liriel's picture

So recently, the honorable and respectable Scott Kurtz stopped by to comment on the little controversy about that there Keenspot News Box gay-thang.

If I may be so bold as to quote him:

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This is just another example of how catty this community is to itself. I guarantee you that nobody outside of the webcomics community gives a shit whether one keenspotter objected to a newsbox. In fact, I doubt they would even notice.

This "controversy" is fabricated bullshit. And everyone making a big deal about it should feel ashamed of themselves.

Discuss. Debate. Be nice.

~Liriel

Liriel's picture

Catty... or bored?

So recently, the honorable and respectable Scott Kurtz stopped by to comment on the little controversy about that there Keenspot News Box gay-thang.

If I may be so bold as to quote him:

Quote:
This is just another example of how catty this community is to itself. I guarantee you that nobody outside of the webcomics community gives a shit whether one keenspotter objected to a newsbox. In fact, I doubt they would even notice.

This "controversy" is fabricated bullshit. And everyone making a big deal about it should feel ashamed of themselves.

Discuss. Debate. Be nice.

~Liriel

William_G's picture

RE: Catty... or bored?

He's absolutely correct. The "community" is a fucking highschool located in the middle of "Nowhere, USA" with all of the cliques, elitists, art-fags, stoners, and anti-social freaks you'd find there.

Then again, Kurtz is the president of the AV club, so it's not like he's above this himself. But I can understand his bile since the guy never gets cut any slack and you know that he's going to whore himself out to the first drifter with a Harley to come along, just to get out of this one-horse town the first second he can.

xerexes's picture

RE: Catty... or bored?

Eh I disagree. The "Webcomics community" isn't any different than a 1000 other virtual communities and not that far gone from what in the old days you'd call the neighborhood (how many of you are widely acquainted with your neighbors? Not so much anymore, huh?)

Some of the participants make a big deal of questionable things sometimes but some also make a big deal out of anyone else making a big deal - I don't think either get the high ground on that, even if some try to spin it that way. Most of us like webcomics and sometimes we talk about things related to webcomics.

The fact that no one outside of webcomics "gives a shit" about what those of us "inside" felt like debating this week is kind of related to the fact that comics, let alone webcomics is something people outside of comics don't pay a whole lot of attention to. If Julia Roberts was an artist on X-men no one would care what she thought... except for those who are "inside" comics.

I can tell you what I perceive to be widely true in this "community" (and maybe on this one I have an idea of what I'm talking about, having worked on Comixpedia for years and paying attention to webcomics for years before that) - most of us, the vast majority of us just filter out the hyperbole in the threads and whatnot. We read, we comment if it moves us but we all definitely keep on keeping on.

People who read Comixpedia - some of them at least - knowing about the Keenspot newsbox flap last week was of interest but that's about it. To a much smaller group of people it was a source of controversy and debate. In fact over at Websnark there was a great deal of discussion, most of it fairly level-headed and intelligent. I don't think anyone over there said anything to be ashamed of and really I don't think any of the comments here were particularly flame-filled either.

So to sum up - I don't think anyone inflated this - it got about the attention it deserved and I don't agree with anyone, Kurtz, or otherwise who claim that this was some egregious example of people being pissy or catty or blowing something up out of proportion. There are lots of times that happens in any group of people who share an interest but I don't see it here so far.

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Liriel's picture

RE: Catty... or bored?

See, since you bring up real life neighbors (as opposed to digital), I see mine plenty enough and there's always some hooha going on with so-and-so about such-and-such, and so really the point is people or really no different on-line (except the internet aspect tends to encourage people to behave more obscenely then if they were standing there talking to ya)... to me I see it as human nature... though this is digitally enhanced XD.

~Liriel

GiantPanda's picture

RE: Catty... or bored?

I'd have to agree with Xerxes that this is not an example of the "community" being pissy. To begin with it appears that the people originally flooding keenspot with email complaints were the readers of Friendly Hostility. While there quite likely are webcomic creators in that group I wouldn't say it is representative of "the community" (although I suppose it depends on your definition of "webcomic community").
The discussion following, in which several webcomic creators did participate, was in my opinion fairly well behaved.

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Graz73's picture

RE: Catty... or bored?

Just like any community, some people are offended by X, and others are not...

No matter if they are geeky high schoolers or college professors, that's just how it works.

Personally, I don't care...

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Liriel's picture

RE: Catty... or bored?

[quote:0056290c96="Graz73"]Personally, I don't care...

Then you will go far ;)

~Liriel

Sun, 04/10/2005 - 16:02 — Zabel
Zabel's picture

RE: Catty... or bored?

No, the controversy is relevant to webcomics artists, because being part of a shared community is where it's at. Even Kurtz himself is part of the Daily Grind, though he doesn't need to be.

The problem that occurred is of common interest because similiar problems can and do occur in other communities. In fact, the adbox controversy is parallel to the big flap that occurred when the Daily Grind did a rules clarification; some members didn't like what was done, and some of them (specifically Kurtz) burned an enormous amount of bandwidth complaining about it.

Propinquity leads to friction; it's inevitable, it's nothing to be ashamed of, and it's no reason to think that humanity is going to hell in a handbasket.

Sun, 04/10/2005 - 17:46 — Liriel
Liriel's picture

RE: Catty... or bored?

Ah well, okay that's a valid point as well.

I think though when it get's out of hand, like when the 'attacking' occurs then it's kinda shameless and an embarassment. But yeah, friction is good to an extent, otherwise it'd be boring and nothing would change... yeah, thermodynamic death... not good.

~Liriel

Mon, 04/11/2005 - 13:25 — ledgermain
ledgermain's picture

RE: Catty... or bored?

Trouble is, a long time ago, internet citizens discovered nothing gets you attention more than being in the eye of a firestorm, negatively or positively (see also, Maddox effect). Picking fights and grand displays of Internet rage is a great way to get people to pay attention to you and pretend to agree with you to look smart, thus raising your status online.

Its not a good thing, but the only real solution is found at the end of Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.

Mon, 04/11/2005 - 18:43 — Ghastly
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RE: Catty... or bored?

It didn't look to be a community thing to me. From my perspective it looked like readers got offended by what they thought was homophobic discrimination institutionalized in Keenspot and Keenspot came out and said "No no! It was the comic artist who removed the adbox who was homophobic. We don't agree with the "gays are okay as long as they stay where I can't see them" attitude but we're not going to do anything to discourage it either because then we'll have the homophobes angry at us. For the love of god people look the other way!"

Then it was only a matter of time before Bobby Crosby would perform his duty of distracting everyone from the real issue so that the status quo could be maintained.

Now the issue is gone and forgotten and nobody really cares, that is until the next time gay people dare to make an appearance in the newsbox.