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Nudity & Webcomics (NSFW)

Care to revive the discussion of nudity and webcomics?

Now that you mention it, it

Now that you mention it, it is a bit curious that ROCR isn't mentioned at all.

whu?

What? Nudity in webcomics, and ROCR is not mentioned at all???

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where are the guys?

Everyone here seems to focused on naked women. Where are the web comics with naked men?

Here - honestly, you people

Here - honestly, you people are so demanding!

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Okay, you got me, Fab

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Okay, fair enough, Fabricari. (Just to clear things up, I didn't pick the name Cute Ninja Girls. My partner on the comic, Dan, had that name picked out long before I signed on.) In defense of the name, though - tittilation was never the goal, and the intent was never to trick people into visiting. It was meant to be more innocent. (At least that's how Dan tells it...) The "oh, it's not T&A" thing kinda revealed itself after the launch. However, despite the title, the goal is too keep it more innocent, and not resort to cheap nudity.

BTW, thanks for the thumbs-up, Fab. To get compliments on the art coming from you, is quite cool.

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Never gonna do nudity my

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Never gonna do nudity my webcomic. Honestly, it just seems like most comics that do use nudity do so for the purpose of immature tittilation, and not as a story-telling device. It's like they put a banner up that says, "Hey, we've got boobies! They're not covered! C'mon, please look...we got nothing else...

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Tittilation

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Maturity is overrated. I find nothing wrong with moderate tittilation (heh heheh heh). I love using sexuality to advertize the comic. Because it works. The funny thing is, I've only drawn two topless panels in the comic. And there's been nothing sexual about the comic in over 6 months. As folks dig through the archives looking to find some tit-tilation they might accidentally discover characters they like. And a story they're hooked on.

It's kind of like naming your comic Cute Ninja Girls. I clicked the link because of the title. You don't want to KNOW what imagery I had in my head. Regardless I followed the link and soaked in what you had to offer. I like the art.

In the end a comic that sells sex and delivers only sex ends up only offering a limited experience. But there's nothing new about the fact that sex sells. And all's fair in love and webcomics.

Wapsi Square hooked me with sexy line-work, but kept me with entrancing story. I visited IndiTits from the title, and woah, not a boob to be seen, but them jokes is funny.

I just checked my stats. 110 clickthrus from this thread alone to my site. See?

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did someone mention nekkid people?

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well, i might have ONE or TWO nekkid people in my comic...!
The Bare Pit... why? Because I can't help myself! ;)

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Here's one!

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I guess I was sorta hoping that folks who have had nudity in their webcomics would post as well.

I guess that would include me, though nudity is not really important to the comic.
http://www.myariland.com/
It's all right with me if it's just cute and gratuitous and doesn't mean anything. I like drawing it.

I guess someone could despise it and call it 'fan service.' Well, if I had any fans. But I like it myself.

Fan Service is Teh Roxor

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Heh heh, ain't nuthin' wrong about fan service.


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I view fanservice as not

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I view fanservice as not treating readers like demanding children that need to be kept happy.

I'm all about the tough love.
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Nudes?

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My most recent story had a bunch of nude animals in it, but no one cares about that... What about PAWN. That is some great nudity in a webcomic... http://www.pawn.se/index.html

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One thing I realized about

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One thing I realized about nudity in my comics is that I'm not all that good at drawing the human body in an appealing manner.

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Indeed, Fabricari. Webcomics

Indeed, Fabricari. Webcomics should've break free from the unwritten taboos of American comics, follow and transcend the examples of European & Asian comics. It's unfortunate that most American (male) webcomic creators still can't shake off that prudish attitude in regards to nudity. And all that f-bombs, pseudo self-aware humor & bodily functions won't make their comics any more mature.

All this talk about only

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All this talk about only young men liking nudity is obsurd. Men of all ages from the moment they hit puberty til the day they die like it. Some lie about it or are "polite" about it. Most women aren't drawn to sexual images, but many can appreciate a tactfully drawn nude, as long as it's relavent to the plot and adds to it rather than takes away.

I think this applies to comics in general. The comic reading audiance is getting older. That's why American comics are slowly begining to mature. We're decades behind Europe and Japan.

While I'm convinced that the plot twist in my own comic to have the Fabricari go visit a strip club to work on some stripper robots wasn't the best decision, it was still a lot of fun to try and pull off. And there are a few moments of misdirection that I'm happy with.

Oh and because this is probably the ONLY thread I can do this in, here's another...

Some of the most beutiful nudes (some of it pornographic) in European comics were drawn by Milo Manera and Serpieri. If you're not a prude and you haven't read these, I gurantee you will love 'em.


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    The Serpieri link doesn't work.

 

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Did you know that your link to Serpieri's EU tentacle porn leads to the Comixpedia homepage?
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Soo... how many new readers

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Soo... how many new readers have you got from posting drawings of naked nymphs/faries/demons in this thread so far?

I think your link to Serpieri is broken. Did you mean http://www.druuna.net/ ?

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Soo... how many new readers

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Since you asked, I checked - 54 clicks. Interesting. :D

But not what I intended. I guess I was sorta hoping that folks who have had nudity in their webcomics would post as well.

After that part of the story arc, I came to the conclusion that I was using nudity as more of a gimmick.

I drew the cover to chapter one featuring that stripper, in a pose that, while censored, was probably too erotic for a comic cover. And I don't think the response was all that great. At one point I thought of drawing erotic covers from now on even if they had nothing to do with the book. False advertising. But that could be limiting my audiance. I'd be better off focusing on cyberpunk themes.


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Nudity + Webcomics = Crazy Delicious

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Nudity in webcomics is fine. As a matter of fact I propose a webcomic simply called "Nudity" that will feature nothing but various creatures in their "natural state". 3D glasses are optional.

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But then we get into the

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But then we get into the argument of whether it's a comic! Poorly written dialogue and/or "passage of time" is necessary in addition to nudity. Maybe some puns?

This would make a great joint project or something opened to lots of artists.

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Re: That depends. There are

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Very sad, very cynical... but also very true. If you have a character that is more or less universally lusted after, giving your audience a few tantalizing peeks now and then without actually showing nudity gets people's attention much more often than blatent straight-on nudity. It's part of human nature to be interested in the hidden and desire what you can't have. Then if you DO end up throwing a little nudity into the mix later on, it will have all the more impact. Print comics have been doing things like that since the dawn of time, as have magazines, movies, television shows, hell even the evening news will toss in some clevage. The use of such subtle tricks is part of what turns webcomics from being some random bad drawings on some unknown corner of the net into a refined and deliberate artform.

Back to nudity

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Seriously, though, I think the preponderance of nudity in webcomics is driven by the demographics: large numbers of young males aged 13-25 who write, draw, and read webcomics.

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That depends. There are

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In terms of getting the 13-25 male audience, though, I think Chugworth, Exploitation Now, etc. have shown us that not showing the main/cutest character naked (while ignoring/laughing at the 3000 fanmails asking for nudity) is actually better for stringing the audience along. =)

Re: That depends. There are

[quote=rabbitpie]In terms of getting the 13-25 male audience, though, I think Chugworth, Exploitation Now, etc. have shown us that not showing the main/cutest character naked (while ignoring/laughing at the 3000 fanmails asking for nudity) is actually better for stringing the audience along. =)[/quote]

That's just the saddest, most cynical thing ever done to the readers.

Re: Back to nudity

[quote=LineItemVito]Seriously, though, I think the preponderance of nudity in webcomics is driven by the demographics: large numbers of young males aged 13-25 who write, draw, and read webcomics.[/quote]

Yeah, that'll be it. That also explains why there's so much nudity in Renaissance art. It was all drawn by Mediaeval 13 year olds and, of course, it's common knowledge that that age group dominates its fan-base even to this day.

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Older men from centuries

Older men from centuries past liked to look at naked bodies too. It's just that huge impeccably rendered painted porn was expensive, and while that is what is left behind for us to learn about in art history books, all of the naughty scrawlings of naked people that were admired and created by young perverts are lost forever.

But really, a talk about what drives the use of nudity in contemporary web comics has nothing to do with the Renaissance, unless you're trying to say that there is some kind of classicist revival going on amongst webcomic artists.

Because if so, I DISAGREE.

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[quote=rezo]...unless you're trying to say that there is some kind of classicist revival going on amongst webcomic artists ...[/quote]

Erm ... no, I wasn't. (Although it is arguable that many webcomics are of a far higher standard of artistic merit than, say, Damien Hirst's shark or Tracy Emin's unmade bed. Not exactly "classical", I know, but nevertheless ...)

What I was actually saying was ... ah, what the Hell ... this is all getting far too serious and I think my earlier points are fairly self-explanatory for anyone who's able to put aside their preconceptions and read them.

I'm off to draw some nudes.

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Re: Older men from centuries

[quote=DAJB]

Erm ... no, I wasn't. [/quote]

I know. People are already aware of nudity/sexual topics being used/discussed in a non low-brow fashion in comics. It was just stated that a lot of people do use them in that fashion, because a lot of people that make and read webcomics are into that sort of thing.

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Vito's talking about

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Vito's talking about webcomics, specifically.

Starting with RealLife, all the way to the new-ish and not very well known B.A.P., lots of webcomics are about the authors' fantasies. They are about what the artist likes. Naked people, it seems, fall into this category, quite often.

These are webcomics we're talking about. Comparing them to Renaissance art is like comparing Harry Potter fanfic to Milton. It's not to say that webcomics suck---there are good fanfics too. It's very different when Susie writes about Harry getting it on with Snape than when Milton describes Sin and her son getting it on at the gates of Hell. Similarly, when Michael Poe draws a chick with bare boobs, it's nothing like the nudity in (name your favorite painting).

Re: Vito's talking about

[quote=rabbitpie]Vito's talking about webcomics, specifically.[/quote]

Sure he is. But that doesn't make the point any more valid. If you don't like the Renaissance art comparison, what about a lower-brow medium like movies? Movies featuring nudity are not made exclusively by or for 13 - 25 year olds. Or what about novels? Both high-brow "literary fiction" and popular pulp-fiction contain numerous examples of graphic descriptions of nudity and, indeed, explicit sex. Should we assume this is because they are written by and for 13 - 25 year old males? It is absurd to draw this assumption in respect of one specific medium such as webcomics when it patently doesn't apply to any other.

To take the argument more seriously, I would argue that the proliferation of cute "furry" webcomics, schoolgirl manga titles and fantasy stories of the "lost princess" variety suggest that a very healthy percentage of webcomic creators and readers are, in fact female - a far greater percentage, in any event, than for mainstream print comics.

The same can be said for the generalised assumption regarding the age demographic. Just as webcomics have made the medium more accessible to female readers than a cramped, claustrophobic comic store could ever do, the percentage of older creators and readers would also appear to be far greater than might normally be assumed from statistics pertaining to print comics.

From my own personal experience, none of the creators with whom I have collaborated has been within the 13 - 25 year old age-bracket and an analysis of our readership shows that just over 50% were aged 25 or above (including many in their 40's and 50's and at least one over 70).

Innovation in print comics has suffered from sweeping generalisations concerning their appeal for many, many years. Webcomics are now allowing creators of all ages and both sexes far greater freedom to exercise the same kind of creativity seen in other media. We should be celebrating that, not perpetuating unsubstantiated assumptions.

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All nude all the time

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As I've said in other forums: it's little known fact that all of my characters are all nude all the time. :-)
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Nudity in Webcomics: Order Up!

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Order up!

It's just art people.


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How'd you know?! Have you been reading my Interweb history?!

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Now that hot! :)

Now that hot! :)

Nudity & Webcomics

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Most webcomic artists have an appalling grasp of anatomy even drawing clothed subjects.

Unless you're talking about drawing webcomics whilst IN the nude, in which case I say if it feels good, do it.

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A nude human being is a

A nude human being is a human being in its natural state.

We are meant to run around nude in hot climate and chase our preys, period.

On the other hand, we are meant to wear clothes for survival, not to wow other people.

It that simple, period. :)

Obviously only disgusting,

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Obviously only disgusting, deviant perverts who are a plague upon society would put nudity in their webcomics.

Re: Obviously only disgusting,

[quote=Ghastly]Obviously only disgusting, deviant perverts who are a plague upon society would put nudity in their webcomics.[/quote]

Really? 'Cos one one of my webcomics has nudity in it ... Ah well, I guess I must be said plague. Go and see it for yourself. (If nothing else we'll find out if the plague can be transmitted electronically!)

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I am wondering if DAJB is

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I am wondering if DAJB is simply playing up the sarcasm, or that they really have never heard of Ghastly's comic...

Re: I am wondering if DAJB is

[quote=rabbitpie]I am wondering if DAJB is simply playing up the sarcasm [/quote]

Sarcasm? Me? I usually prefer the term irony ...
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