The Ultimate Webcomic Experiment.

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Anyone who is serious about creating and publishing webcomics probably shares many of the same lists of failed experiments. But the point is to try new ideas. Set those experiments in motion and see what happens. Chances are, it won't break the Internet.

The first webcomic I saw that really inspired me was Steve Conley's Astounding Space Thrills. I was impressed by the professional quality art, the slick formatting and simplicity of the whole effort. His pioneering tooncasting model was all over the Internet by the late 1990's, generating some decent revenue and critical acclaim. The key to his success seemed to be size, format and frequency of publication -- that, and a pretty damned good story.

Right around the time I first saw his strips, I was having difficulty finding a suitable publisher for my graphic novel, High Strangeness. I shelved that book for a year after it was completed, and decided to start a webcomic of my own. That webcomic, The Last Odyssey, began as a black and white newspaper style serial, with a full color double sized Sunday strip. It was a self-education on all fronts, as I was learning how to draw while learning how to write html. The Last Odyssey evolved into a weekly updated, color webcomic, mimicking AST's format. At one point I tried to turn it into a paid subscription-only webcomic. That failed. I then turned it into a daily, but couldn't keep up with the publication schedule. I changed the size from a full size strip, to wide newspaper strip size, to splitting a full size comic page in half, to obscuring the artwork in the graphic in an effort to prompt visitors to purchase a subscription…it was a pretty convoluted experiment, but I learned a lot from it, as a web designer and as a cartoonist. When I later decided to publish High Strangeness online, I had a pretty firm idea of what I wanted to do with it, and I was much happier with the results.

I think that's the best way to approach creating webcomics; don't let yourself get stranded with one format, model or style. In the end, it's about creating comics that are enjoyable to read online, just as they are in print. We have an advantage over print, because we are more accessible, and our work has immediacy to it that a monthly comic book can't convey. There's a closer connection between reader and creator, or at least there should be. But there's other challenges.

For those of us creating serials that don't rely on 3 panels and a punchline, we have our work cut out for us. We have to convince visitors to make that extra investment of their time, to get to know the characters. They have to find out about the characters pasts before they'll care what happens to the characters in the future. That sort of burden isn't a concern for the newspaper serials. It's not that important to know the back-story on the current Phantom strip, for instance, because most people are already familiar enough with the character and his world.

I'll take the analogy further; I have no doubt that if Marvel and DC decided to stop the presses, and begin publishing ONLY online, their sales would skyrocket. It would succeed because of this same fact; most people already know the characters and their worlds. If they can't get their comics anywhere else, they'll pay for them online. And their online reading experience won't be any worse than having to brave their local comic shop every Wednesday.

Now that would be the ultimate webcomic experiment.


Scott Reed

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joeymanley's picture

On your last point, about

On your last point, about sales skyrocketing for Marvel and DC if they truly embraced webcomics, this blog post from a (webcomics supportive) comic book retailer might be of interest. Quick summary: sales of Girl Genius trade paperbacks have gone up since all the comics contained therein went online for free -- way, way, up -- at his store, anyway.
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part of the gain in trade sales might be

joeymanley wrote:
sales of Girl Genius trade paperbacks have gone up since all the comics contained therein went online for free

Didn't the Foglio's stop printing pamphlets when they moved online? Presumably part of the gain in trade sales might be from readers who used to buy pamphlets and no trades, but are now buying the trades because there are no pamphlets.

 

 

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joeymanley's picture

Could very well be.

Could very well be. From my own experience, I had never heard of Girl Genius until it went online -- I've bought the first trade so far. But not from a comic book shop (ordered it from the Foglio's website). I do not claim to be typical, though! Ha! I deny that claim, sir!
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probably should point out

joeymanley wrote:
Could very well be. From my own experience, I had never heard of Girl Genius until it went online -- I've bought the first trade so far. But not from a comic book shop (ordered it from the Foglio's website). I do not claim to be typical, though! Ha! I deny that claim, sir!

..And I probably should point out that in regarding whatever segment used to buy 6 pamphlets but is now buying one trade, we ought to keep in mind that it's a hell of a lot easier to deal with printing, distribution, etc. on just one trade vs. 6 pamphlets +1 trade.

... So I guess the question is whether going online sells enough extra trades to make up for the loss in pamphlet sales. Considering, if I recall, they were basically losing money on the pamphlets, it looks like any increase in trade sales woud mean going online was a total winner for the Foglios.

And, yeah, my buying habits are so atypical that I'm no expert on consumer behaviours either.

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Quote:Considering, if I


 

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Considering, if I recall, they were basically losing money on the pamphlets, it looks like any increase in trade sales woud mean going online was a total winner for the Foglios.

Yeah.

 

On the other hand Marvel and DC make quite a bit of money on pamphlet sales, so the value of moving to the interweb for them isn't quite the same as it would be for a small timer struggling to make money from their issues. They'd be cutting a huge part of their revenue out without the certainty that it could be replaced online. A webcomic with 20000 readers probably isn't making as much as a book which sells 20000 issues each month. The big publishers could certainly benefit from a greater online presence, but I don't think they have much reason to dive in just because something like Girl Genius was able to increase business.

 

 

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Books like Spider-Man and

Books like Spider-Man and Batman do very well for them in the single-issue format, true, but are they really making bank on The Immortal Iron First, say, or Manhunter, in single form? I kind of think not -- for the midlist, they're probably using the singles as loss leaders, and relying on longterm trade paperback sales as the profit engine. Just like the Foglios. But I could be wrong! In fact, I could totally be wrong. If they're not making the decision to go into webcomics in a big way, there must be some reason for it -- right?
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Right. I don't think Marvel

Right. I don't think Marvel even bothers to follow an issues--> collection pattern for most of its comics.

Immortal Iron Fist sold 30000+ issues in December. It was the second issue so who knows how that will hold up, but basically it means that Marvel is able to deliver a new series of a C(?)-list character and have that much initial interest waiting for it. Now, I'll turn the scenario around, just for a bit of perspective- If Girl Genius was capable of having those kind of sales, would Foglio have bothered with the interweb? More importantly, despite being an example of success as far as transitions to online serialization go, is Girl Genius in a position where it could sell anything near 30000 issues in a month? Certainly not. PvP apparently sells around 5-7 thousand of its issues and it should be much more successful online than Girl Genius(albeit not really matched with the content usually found in comic stores, there aren't any other examples to look at, I think =|). Those numbers are fine for someone on the lower end, but for Marvel I'm guessing those are numbers that get books cancelled, or I've heard as much.

The benefits of graphic novels, web syndication etc, are overstated simply because those benefits apply directly to us- ie: the people who can't sell 30000 issues of a comic. Comic issues are dead to small publishers maybe. It's hard to get in and hard to get attention once you're there, so people look for different avenues. People find success in those avenues, and then people mistake those avenues for an ideal path for comics as a whole. It's not. Nothing of the sort. It's simply another route to take, and let's all be glad it's there.

I think the real benefit of online distribution in general is that it allows people to continue to put their work out when it's not making them any money... because it's not costing them much either. Not much really, but that's how it is.

 

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I completely agree that

I completely agree that different business models work better (or worse) for different creators and/or publishers, depending on how they are placed in the market, what kind of audience they are looking for, and how much money they have, among many other variables. I'm not personally all that invested in seeing Marvel or DC come to the web, either. If there's one thing I disagreed with in the original post we're all commenting on, it was that part of it -- that webcomics can't be said to have "made it" until the Big Two come out and play. I didn't mention it because I didn't want to get into an argument about it -- I don't feel very strongly either way on the subject, really.

I do think that there are some opportunities, even for the "Big Two," to use original webcomics to bolster their business, beyond simple promotional/sample/reprint stuff -- tryout serials with D- and E- and F-list characters, maybe? (I know William G made a joke once about wanting to do The Aquarian online for Marvel). Supplemental storylines that run in tandem with, but separate from, the print serials? I've seen some television series do this with online video -- HBO's OZ did it, for example. I dunno.

I guess webcomics might be a solution in search of a problem when it comes to the Big Two -- though everything I've read on the subject seems to be pointing to a desperate need to broaden and expand their audiences. I'll admit my reading on the subject of the comics industry is highly selective, and tends to reinforce my own prejudices by simple virtue of the fact that I tend to read blogs, essays, etc., by people who are involved on the "alternative" side of the industry, since that's, you know, where my own fannish interests lie. Lay? Lie. Yargh.

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<>That's somewhat promising,

That's somewhat promising, even if the figures are inflated a little. Marvel at least seems interested in pursuing an online or digital audience, but they seem determined to miss the mark.

<> I do think that webcomics won't truly 'arrive' until Marvel and DC, and to a lesser degree, the syndicates (if anyone really cares at this point) fully embrace it as either a primary or secondary way of publishing. They could market the shit out of it for a while online, long enough so people understand it's the only way their going to be able to get a monthly dose of X-men.

 

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I agree that the numbers

I agree that the numbers seem awfully high, especially the claim from Phil Foglio, in that interview linked from the blog post, that the sales were up by a factor of 10. But I don't have any reason to believe he's lying, either. He doesn't seem like a chest-beater or a braggart. Quite the opposite. He seems like a very nice guy who is trying to share his experiences with others, so that they can have the benefit of them.
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My bad.

joeymanley wrote:
I agree that the numbers seem awfully high, especially the claim from Phil Foglio, in that interview linked from the blog post, that the sales were up by a factor of 10. But I don't have any reason to believe he's lying, either. He doesn't seem like a chest-beater or a braggart. Quite the opposite. He seems like a very nice guy who is trying to share his experiences with others, so that they can have the benefit of them.

<>My bad. I shouldn't have implied that he was lying about his numbers, it came across not exactly the way I intended.
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