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News For Tuesday December 19, 2006 (UPDATED)

MAGAZINE

  • A smaller December issue then years past but still full of great webcomic recommendations and plenty of opinions to discuss. There's a slight chance we'll have a few more pieces, but I may hold those until January.
  • I just wanted to say thanks and congrats to Kris Straub who has contributed to Comixpedia for a couple years - first with Modern Humor Authority and this year with Checkerboard Nightmare. Kris' plate has gotten considerably more full lately so he won't have time to contribute next year.

    We'll see you in Xanadu, Mr. Straub... They call it Xanadu.

  • If you have a minute please vote for the Roundtable and People of Webcomics articles over at ComicNe.ws - it's a different crowd at CBR and having Comixpedia articles on the front page over there has helped bring some of their readers over here to check out Comixpedia. At this point it only takes about 6 votes to get something on the front page over there so click that little "c" below your posts if you think it might be of interest.

BUSINESS

A warning to those using google ads and placing images near the ads themselves - that appears to be against Google Adsense's new policy:

Can I place small images next to my Google ads?

We ask that publishers not line up images and ads in a way that suggests arelationship between the images and the ads. If your visitors believe that the images and the ads are directly associated, or that the advertiser is offering the exact item found in the neighboring image, they may click the ad expecting to find something that isn't actually being offered. That's nota good experience for users or advertisers.

Let's All Go To The Movies

Journalista has a significant section today on Scott Rosenberg and Platinum Studios called "Meet the new Scott Rosenberg, the same as the old Scott Rosenberg." (A side note: Rosenberg was included in our People Of Webcomics list this year.) Obviously anyone who has followed Rosenberg in the news this year knows at this point he's been around comics in various ventures for quite some time. A chief, recurring, criticism seems to be that Rosenberg is interesting in comics properties solely for their potential to be licensed to filmmakers and that he does not actual perform the basic publishing function of a comics publisher.

I can't comment too much because I haven't done my homework on this subject, but it does strike me as odd that when numerous creators are abandoning the monthly comic book format for webcomics (albeit with a goal to collection in a graphic novel) that there is an expectation that Platinum would want to vigorously compete in the direct market. It also seems odd to criticize Platinum for using a creator-for-hire approach on its first comic book, Cowboy & Aliens -- isn't that the standard model for the majority of the industry (you know, DC and Marvel)? Deppey reports that a deal from 2004 may require Platinum to put out comic books in order to comply with the deal - to the extent that Platinum is treating such publication as an expense rather than a profit center, I'd think the most obvious question is what does that say about the health of the direct market?

If this is of interest, there's lot more on the topic at Journalista! today.

NEWS ABOUT COMICS NEWS SITES

I didn't realize that it was a common practice for comics publishers to own comics journalists, but today's Journalista! also alerted me to the fact that Platinum Studios bought the comics news site Broken Frontiers earlier this month. (Similarly, Journalista! and TCJ are owned by publisher Fantagraphics.) I'm sincere in asking how do such journalists deal with the obvious conflict of interest this presents? Is there a corporate separation that protects the ability of the journalists to cover the news without interference or does the journalist just not cover their owners?

JUSTIFY MY HYPE

If you haven't been reading ICE by Faith Erin Hicks get over there and check it out (the archives aren't that long). I'm not sure I like the black & white as much as the earlier coloring but that's only as a comparative matter - both periods of the comic are amazing. If you have been reading, the current scene is getting particularly tense as major plots points are revealed.

NOT COMICS

Joe Barbera passed away. I thought this guy's name meant animation when I was a kid.

Around The World in 80 BLOGS

Over

Xaviar Xerexes's picture

Man I hate being a moderator.

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Xaviar Xerexes

On second thought, let's not go to Comixpedia. It is a silly place.

I run this place! Tip the piano player on the way out.

It's really sad that Dirk

djcoffman's picture

It's really sad that Dirk Deppey constantly links to a 20 year old article about Scott Rosenberg-- Didn't Marvel go bankrupt? DIdn't other comic companies go under? UGH. Maybe they should just interview him if they're so interested-- but thats not todays journalism, you have some bitter people with axes to grind or agendas "presuming" and "assuming" things.

They get away with it by adding words like "Platinum PRESUMABLY bought Broken Frontier"

And no one takes these clowns to town over their own journalistic integrity? Beyond Lame.

And as far as my knowledge goes-- there is no plot to buy up media outlets to control your reviews or whatever-- PLatinum has been pretty hands off on Drunk Duck, same for Broken Frontier--- the only pretty smart thing I see is BF and DD running ads for Platinum Properties.

And yeah, I'm defending Platinum because I work with them everyday. People criticizing their business practices are also calling into question several professional relationships by doing so... including the fact Platinums books will be published under the Image Comics Label. ANd not just any shlub can publish under Image, right?

Platinum Did Buy Broken Frontier

Xaviar Xerexes's picture

[quote=djcoffman]

They get away with it by adding words like "Platinum PRESUMABLY bought Broken Frontier"

And no one takes these clowns to town over their own journalistic integrity? Beyond Lame.

And as far as my knowledge goes-- there is no plot to buy up media outlets to control your reviews or whatever-- PLatinum has been pretty hands off on Drunk Duck, same for Broken Frontier--- the only pretty smart thing I see is BF and DD running ads for Platinum Properties.[/quote]

I don't think there's anything unclear on this - Platinum Owns Broken Frontier - both sides have confirmed it. I wasn't alleging Platinum's buying up media outlets - they don't have THAT much money to burn - just asking out loud how you structure such a set-up to maintain journalistic independence from the publisher.

I'm hardly saying it's evil - Broken Frontier has money to spend now and their coverage (and Alexa rankings) will almost certainly improve next year because of it. But the independence thing is a valid question to ask.

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Xaviar Xerexes

On second thought, let's not go to Comixpedia. It is a silly place.

I run this place! Tip the piano player on the way out.

I wasn't debating the fact

djcoffman's picture

I wasn't debating the fact that they do own them-- I've known about that deal for some time now-- I was referring to the conversation you linked to at Talk About Comics and on Journalista , "presuming" why they bought BF. I mean, I'll tell Dirk too, if you want to know why, just ask them. I think it's pretty clear when you visit there.

Anyways, it's always the usual suspects bantering about this.

Anyways, it's always the

The William G's picture

Anyways, it's always the usual suspects bantering about this.

Don't worry man, you'll have the last laugh on everyone when Hero by Night becomes the best selling comic in the land*

No need to get cranky about it, DJ

 

*after they buy all of the copies themselves


Need

djcoffman's picture

No, there is a need.

[quote=The William G]

Anyways, it's always the usual suspects bantering about this.

Don't worry man, you'll have the last laugh on everyone when Hero by Night becomes the best selling comic in the land*

No need to get cranky about it, DJ

 

*after they buy all of the copies themselves

[/quote]

DJ Coffman
yirmumah.net

Oh, that pesky karma...

The William G's picture

Oh, that pesky karma...


Check your watch

djcoffman's picture

Don't you have an appointment in obscurityville? Or are you still trying to get to internet famous land?

 

[quote=The William G]Oh, that pesky karma...
[/quote]

DJ Coffman
yirmumah.net

Mee-Yow!

The William G's picture

Or are you still trying to get to internet famous land?

I dunno, the idea of being the tallest munchkin in Oz is appealing... I might even get a table at a con one day!

Still, I think that you're being a bit harsh for a guaranteed future Diamond top seller.


What's the point of this WilliamG?

Xaviar Xerexes's picture

Really - was any of that constructive? You want to debate D.J or anyone else - try doing it like you would if you were talking to them in person.

 

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Xaviar Xerexes

On second thought, let's not go to Comixpedia. It is a silly place.

I run this place! Tip the piano player on the way out.

I'm so torn right now

The William G's picture

was any of that constructive? ...try doing it like you would if you were talking to them in person.

 

I've re-written my response to this about ten times now, and there's absolutely nothing I can say to this that wont ruin everyone's Christmas.


Hey DJ!

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Hey DJ!

You'd probably get a better understanding of what Dirk's saying, and why, if you engaged him directly in conversation over at Journalista! They do take comments over there, you know. I understand that this is a safer haven for you, since Xerexes apparently has a lot of patience for your conversational style. Shall we say. But it would be interesting, at the very least, to see you and Dirk debate whether Platinum's publisher is a sleazeball (Dirk's word, not mine) or not. Dirk's a sharp thinker and a fine writer -- probably one of the best business journalists working in comics today. And you -- well, you're DJ Coffman. So, yeah. Interesting. Like I said.

Much love!

Joey
www.webcomicsnation.com

Safer Haven?

djcoffman's picture

Safer HAven? You know, I tried to reply to your ridiculous blog post on your site, but you've banned me from commenting there, when I send the comments in they are either held for moderation, or not posted at all. Grow some nuts. You want to "talk about comics" let's talk. Not "Talk About Comics IF Joey Manley says so"

I'll see about responding to ol' Dirk Deppey.

 

[quote=joeymanley]Hey DJ!

You'd probably get a better understanding of what Dirk's saying, and why, if you engaged him directly in conversation over at Journalista! They do take comments over there, you know. I understand that this is a safer haven for you, since Xerexes apparently has a lot of patience for your conversational style. Shall we say. But it would be interesting, at the very least, to see you and Dirk debate whether Platinum's publisher is a sleazeball (Dirk's word, not mine) or not. Dirk's a sharp thinker and a fine writer -- probably one of the best business journalists working in comics today. And you -- well, you're DJ Coffman. So, yeah. Interesting. Like I said.

Much love!

Joey
www.webcomicsnation.com[/quote]

DJ Coffman
yirmumah.net

You're banned from TAC

Joey Manley's picture

You're banned from TAC because you called all the cartoonists on Girlamatic machine-made bitches. You called me a pillow-biter. And you've sent threatening emails to me and many other of your peers. (Not just people on Modern Tales). You have libeled me to the people I work with on many occasions. And you're just generally a pest. You'll never be welcome there. Give up. It's not about balls. Web community 101: don't let trolls ruin the conversation.

Just so you know, I deleted your twenty-seven emails to me last night without reading them.

I shouldn't even be rising to your bait here.

Much love!

Joey
www.webcomicsnation.com

KARMA!

The William G's picture

KARMA!

Lookout!


Lying???

djcoffman's picture

Damn, you are a lousy liar Joey Manley. I sent you ONE e-mail. Why TWIST THAT into saying I sent 20? WTF???

Good for you for banning me, and twisting my words to say things I never said. Some people can't handle the truth. It's fine for you and your little cronies to talk trash and debate, you should open it up for response. You're a joke. A lying joke.

While you'll keep spreading a negative message about me, I know there are several more creators who I've helped and encourages while all you guys do is tear down people, or kiss each others asses constantly. Good luck to you.

Sorry, X. I have to respond to a lie like that man.

 

[quote=joeymanley]You're banned from TAC because you called all the cartoonists on Girlamatic machine-made bitches. You called me a pillow-biter. And you've sent threatening emails to me and many other of your peers. (Not just people on Modern Tales). You have libeled me to the people I work with on many occasions. And you're just generally a pest. You'll never be welcome there. Give up. It's not about balls. Web community 101: don't let trolls ruin the conversation.

Just so you know, I deleted your twenty-seven emails to me last night without reading them.

I shouldn't even be rising to your bait here.

Much love!

Joey
www.webcomicsnation.com[/quote]

DJ Coffman
yirmumah.net

Yeah, how dare I twist your

Joey Manley's picture

Yeah, how dare I twist your calling me a pillow-biter into ... you calling me a pillow-biter. Twisty! Nefarious! What a stretch! Ditto the rest of it. I'd spend my time finding the links, but I'm lazy. Everybody here knows the truth anyway.

Much love!

Joey
www.webcomicsnation.com

More lies?

djcoffman's picture

But you JUST lied and said I sent you 20 something e-mails when I sent you ONE.

I hope smart people, outside of your little circle of smokers, realize how shady you are yourself. Try being honest. And hey, I said I was sorry for calling you names, you said you forgave me, but obviously not. Maybe you should bite it harder to keep your mouth shut and not lie as much as you've been doing.

Everybody here knows the

The William G's picture

Everybody here knows the truth anyway.

Maybe the problem is that they don't?

Since it's the season, I can't help but wonder what Jesus would do...


If they don't now, they

Joey Manley's picture

If they don't now, they will.

Did you see the title of today's Journalista?

Joey
www.webcomicsnation.com

Oh yeah? Journalista. I put

djcoffman's picture

Oh yeah? Journalista. I put a couple comments into him as well, but obviously he won't post them either. Like that MTV show.. It's time to stop being polite and start being real.

As a matter of fact, I have

The William G's picture

As a matter of fact, I have


Don't Lets Start...

Xaviar Xerexes's picture

Ahem... there are quite a few people who comment at Comixpedia with "conversation styles" besides D.J. Despite the controversial aspects of this subject I think we can talk about it without getting off subject too much?

But yeah I suspect if you want answers about Dirk's reporting Dirk would be the one to ask. I'll repeat that I haven't done enough homework to comment on much of this - especially anything in the past. Anything outside of webcomics is always a research project for me...

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Xaviar Xerexes

On second thought, let's not go to Comixpedia. It is a silly place.

I run this place! Tip the piano player on the way out.